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To start a company, you need to have a strong passion for the thing you want to create. You also need to have a clear vision for how you're going to achieve the goal. And finally, you need to possess the skills to accomplish each step along the way.

No two days look the same. I bounce between leading strategy, problem-solving across departments, and advocating for our mission. I work closely with districts and volunteer in schools, helping students see their futures. It’s demanding, but I love tackling big challenges and building tools that empower others.

Founder & CEO

Perseverance

Starting And Scaling A Company Takes Persistence

You've got to have a can't stop won't stop attitude.
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In this field, you need to have a "can't stop, won't stop" attitude. I applied to NASA multiple times before I was finally offered a position—and it wasn't even one I applied for! I sent a cold email and went the extra mile to prepare a slide presentation of my work. Be prepared. There's always somebody watching you. A lot of the times, you won't even know an opportunity exists because it's being saved for the right person. You can be the right person. Be confident, persistent, and resilient.

I spend my time diving into the mysteries of black holes as a theoretical astrophysicist at NASA. My work balances cutting-edge research on relativistic jet emissions with mentoring early-career scientists through the Cosmic Pathfinders program. Whether I’m analyzing data, speaking at conferences, or guiding students toward careers in space science, my goal is to expand our understanding of the universe while inspiring the next generation​.

Theoretical Astrophysicist

Support & Encouragement

Be Prepared And Don’t Quit

I'm really interested in like your perspective,
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My path worked out for me but my original goal was to be a journalist. I did a lot of internships and part-time jobs, and learned that I loved working on Capitol Hill and with nonprofits. The most important thing is to have a clear north star of how you want to leave the world a better place. Then get the education, skills, and training you need to achieve your goals. You also have to be willing to course correct, try new things, and always be open to education in formal and informal settings.

I lost a brother to gun violence, which has helped propel my mission to help young Black men. I ended up leading My Brother's Keeper for the Obama administration, where I helped to build safe and supportive communities for boys young men of color.

The best part of my job is spending time with our members, volunteers, grantees, partners, and alumni. In my visits, I often join with Members of Congress to celebrate new investments and to learn what’s working, what’s not, and how we can improve. The rest of my time is spent working with our staff to develop and implement strategic plans, ensuring we are good stewards of taxpayers resources, monitoring our financial and operational reform, forming new partnerships, and reporting on progress.

Goals

Inclusion And Progress

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There is no one path to take. We are more effective when our cohorts embody the breadth of life experiences of people across the country. Especially in technology, we know that there are so many non-traditional educational paths. At the U.S. Digital Corps, we all have varied backgrounds. We have almost 100 colleges and universities represented among our fellows and even more fields of study. We have career changers and former military, as well as many people who joined right out of school.

These days, I spend a lot of time in meetings. We now have a team of 10-15 program staff supporting over 120 Fellows, and there's a lot to discuss. On any given day, it may be Fellow learning and development (i.e. what kinds of trainings and topics we should facilitate), recruitment and selection of our next cohort, and helping Fellows and agencies troubleshoot individual issues. It definitely keeps me on my toes and requires a lot of context switching. 

Co-Founder & Deputy Director

Inspiration

Working Through Obstacles In Technology And Government

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2024 VOHE Roadtrip
first-in-family
advanced-degree

I recommend attending a community college first and then working as a political practitioner either before, during, or after earning a four-year bachelor's degree before attending graduate school.

I come from an Asian refugee family and often felt othered by my peers in the affluent conservative community I grew up in.

In my higher education journey, there's rarely been a time where I wasn't working at least two jobs while going to school. I love academia but I'm not always able to focus completely on it because I have to supplement myself through other work.

As a Ph.D. candidate, I study immigrant and refugee communities and issues of poverty and immigration enforcement. My family is Vietnamese, so I'm really interested in examining how welfare programs, policing, and immigration enforcement systems impact our community. As a teaching assistant, I run discussion sections, where I help students understand class material, answer any questions, and prepare for assignments. I also hold office hours and spend a lot of time grading.

Teaching Assistant

Staying Motivated As A Ph.D. Candidate

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To become a prison doula, the first step is to become a certified doula. I also recommend you participate in a peer support training because there is a very valuable expertise in lived experience.

At 27 years old, I was sentenced to two years in prison. I had two young children and was pregnant. Fortunately, my family lended their support with my two children and I was able to get support from the Minnesota Prison Doula Project while pregnant.

My days are filled with a unique blend of group facilitation, direct client support, and program management. A significant part of my role involves connecting with clients, sharing my journey of overcoming adversity, and empowering them to discover their own strengths. Peer support is vital, helping clients emotionally navigate their challenges and reintegrate into the community, reducing recidivism.

Doula & Program Coordinator

Struggle

Gaining Working Skills Through Lived Experience

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I recommend engaging in politics and saying yes to as many opportunities as possible when you are young. Get exposure to many different things and follow through on what you are asked to do.

In my role leading a nonprofit focused on advocacy, I immerse myself in the vision of impacting lives beyond our immediate environment. Daily, I inspire my team to align with our collective vision, pushing the boundaries of strategy and innovation. I spend my time engaging with legislative leaders and coalition partners to craft and build support for our vision.

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What are some things you would like to communicate regarding the work you do and how that pertains to harassment? &gt;&gt; I was told over and over again that harassment wasn't a problem, that I was probably just hypersensitive. I was overreacting that if I really cared about women's rights or LGBTQ rights or racial justice that I should take on a more serious issue than harassment. I think I was told that almost every single day for the first eight to 10 years of doing this work. And nobody thought that it mattered. As people get older and they just accept, well, this is what it is, right? You just have crap said about you everywhere you go, all day long. That's just what happens. But it shouldn't happen. This shouldn't be the way the world works, right? And I think that's what I want people to do. I want people to see the gaps and the flaws in our world that nobody else can see, and I want them not to give up until they're fixed. &gt;&gt; Is there any piece of advice or anything you'd like to tell us? Out of everything we've talked about today, if there's one thing that you want us to come away with, what should it be? &gt;&gt; I think the number one thing would just be to trust the way that you believe the world should be. Don't let anybody tell you that that's wrong or impossible or ridiculous, or that there's something wrong with you because that's what you want the world to be. That's how you want the world to change. Just believe it and trust yourself and keep fighting for it. 

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